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i'll be back with a special midnight edition of "piers morgan tonight." "ac 360" starts now. thanks. one student dead, four others wounded. a school, a town traumatized and breaking news. reports that the student who allegedly open fired just outside of cleveland will be in court tomorrow. his first appearance will be tomorrow afternoon in county juvenile court. in december, a posting on facebook he wrote in a quaint town a man with a frown who longed for only one thing. the world to bow at his feet. was that lonelyman t.j. lane? and if so, did he shoot and kill parmentor and wound four others
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including nate muller you will hear from shortly. here's what nate said to me, quote i almost hope to wake up tomorrow it's monday again, a different monday a better monday, anything but the monday he witnessed today and we're all trying to understand tonight. it was early morning and classes at chardon high school hadn't even begun yet. kids were gathering in the cafeteria. >> at 0738 this morning, our first 911 call came into our station, shots fired at chardon high school. >> another student pulled out a gun. >> he took one shot. he didn't say anything the entire time. he took one shot. that's when we looked to see what was happening. it sounded like a firecracker almost. >> nate muller, police said, was grazed in the ear by one of the shots. >> i saw him shoot and hit one of my other friends that was sitting at the table with us. and then as i was turning around, that's when he hit me. >> in the first chaotic moments, authorities had no idea what was
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happening. >> we have three students down in the cafeteria. at this time, we still don't know where the shooter is. attention chardon rescue, we have an active shooter at the high school. repeat, active gunshots at the high school. >> anxious parents quickly circled the high school, cell phones to their ears to see and hear what had happened. almost immediately, kids began tweeting, school in a lockdown, kid with a gun read one tweet reported by "the daily beast". saw the cops, that's a relief. thank god said another tweet. one student was killed, four were injured. the dead student identified as 16-year-old daniel parmentor. in a statement, his parents said, we are shocked by the senseless tragedy, danny was a bright young boy who had a bright future ahead of him. the family is torn by this loss. t.j. lane attended an alternative high school called lake academy.
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and police tonight are saying things could be much worse if authorities hadn't acted as quickly as they did. >> law enforcement was quickly placed inside the school upon arrival. we believe that helped lessen the tragedy that occurred. >> classes tomorrow at chardon high school have been canceled. grief counselors will be standing by. cnn's martin savidge has spent the day in and around the campus and spends the day around the scene. i know you've been focused on the alleged shooter, t.j. lane. what are you learning about him? >> reporter: let me preface that by saying i group in northeast ohio and have family that grew up in chardon when all this occurred. i began to wonder who was this kid, t.j. lane and how and why did he get to the point he pulled out a gun as has been alleged and do what he did.
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almost cliche. described as a loner, kept to himself. looked different. wore the skinny jean, wore the skater hair, kind of goth-like. came from a broken home, raised by his grandparents, older brother now in prison. on and on, you hear the background of a child that was different. i had an interesting conversation with a young girl who is a rarity in chardon because she actually befriended t.j. here's what she describes in our conversation. >> i just gravitated towards him. he seemed like my type of person. i noticed that all the kids made fun of him and i thought i just wanted to give him a chance i went and got to know him and he turned out to be a really great person. i think it has a lot to do with his home life and what he had to go through as a child being
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raised by only his grandparents and not having either parent in his life, you know, from what i understand what he had to go through, his older brother went through. family life plays a lot with your personality and who you become. yes, he was a sweet person but i think that what he went through as a child definitely, you know, changed him and affected him greatly, you now? >> reporter: what makes you say that, from the conversations and the way you interacted as a friend, what gives you that feeling? >> just that i could tell that he was sad a lot of the times. he never -- he never once would want to talk about a personal situation or his life at home. he never want to talk about it or when he would go visit his dad, he would never want to talk about his dad and those times of sadness and not knowing why, you
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can tell there's something personal going on at home. i had to personally go up to him and break through the wall that he put up towards people, so it took a lot of time to get to know him and for him to even start opening up to me. >> reporter: you said he was picked on. did you see this? do you personally know this? >> yes, i personally know this. kids would make fun of him all the time. in class, in the halls, he'd be made fun of for his hair, for the way he dressed, for being so quiet. kids would just pick on him so much. i always defended him, no matter what, you know. >> how would he take that? >> he would just be quiet or, you know, he wouldn't say anything, just look at the ground or he would just kind of take it and kind of laugh about
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it, but i could tell that, you know, you can laugh about it but it still hurts. >> did he ever talk of revenge, ever get angry, say he wanted to do something? >> no. not once, you know. he would just, just take it and, you know, sometimes i could see that it really affected him. i feel like when they see what happened on the tv, they will instantly think he's this monster and he's this killer. i just want people to know that he actually was and is a good person, but through all the things that he had to go through, through all his life, through his childhood, through the bullying and people making fun of him and through all of his situation, that it led to what he did. >> so, marty -- >> reporter: i have to point out to you -- sorry, i wanted to say, soledad, she is not defending or condoning in any
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way what t.j. lane is accused of doing, she is merely a window into his world. she is horrified by what has happened. >> and providing a ton of insight into his background. marty, talk about the community. how is everybody who's living there doing? >> reporter: is the one of those communities people come to chardon because they think they get away from the kind of problems they're now dealing with today, one of the great ironies of what is happening here. a lot of communicating going on. young people, as you already know, connected electronically. candlelight vigils planned and prayers planned. this is a community that had its heart absolutely broke and tonight trying to start the process of healing. many students don't know what it will be like to go back into a classroom when it happens, they know that day will come and with the help of community. >> nate was slightly wounded in the attack, the bullet lightly grazed his ear and he knew t.j. lane and several of the victims and was close to at least one of
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them. he anticipate i spoke earlier tonight by phone. describe for me what happened in the cafeteria. >> caller: we walked into the cafeteria and i had gone over and talked to some of my friends. we -- they had gone to class, so we went back over to our table that we sit at everyday. me and a couple of my other friends that were waiting to get on a bus to transfer us to a different school had just been talking, like a normal day. all of a sudden, we heard a loud bang, almost like a fireworks and we turned around and i saw t.j. standing at the table behind us with his gun pointed and firing. >> he was pointing at you? >> caller: he was pointing in our direction. he wasn't pointed right at me. >> he hit you, the bullet hit
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you, right, grazed your ear? >> caller: yes. his third shot hit me. his first shot made me look. his second shot, i watched him take, which hit somebody behind me, and his third shot hit me as i was turning away. >> what did you do? >> caller: at that point, i had started running out of the cafeteria and jumped over my friend, nick, who was injured after i left. i made my way out of the school and called the police. >> did you understand what was happening? did he say anything? >> caller: he was silent the entire time. there was no warning or anything. he just opened fire. >> you know him well from school? >> caller: i know him from years before, when we used to be friends before he kind of distanced himself from us. >> tell me a little bit about
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him. >> caller: he-he's a quiet kid. in the past, like few years, but back in middle school, he was always really nice and funny. he was like one of us, one of the guys. he was a normal kid, and we all liked him. nobody really had a problem with us. he was never one to start alter indications or get into drama that was being thrown around him, he kind of went on with his own business. >> when you say he was standing there and not saying a word, what did he seem like? what did he look like? did he look angry? did he look calm? >> caller: his face was expressionless. i can't even explain it. it looked like he was on a mission and he knew that he was about to do it and he was -- i think he was a little distant from himself.
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>> any indication of a motivation for the shooting at this point that you know of or that you'd guess at? >> caller: no. i still don't believe there was a motive that i could think of. i think that he just might have snapped from being distant for so long. >> there were some reports that i heard that talked about an ex girlfriend potentially as motivation for him maybe being angry or maybe, you know, feeling somehow that he had lost out on something. do you know about that? >> caller: i do not. i know that there was somebody that he was dating but that's just what i've heard. >> so what was the scene like in the cafeteria? you obviously got out and ran. did it erupt in chaos when the
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shots started or what happened? >> caller: once everybody realized after the first shot what was happening and everybody could see she -- see he was shooting, everybody took a direction and ran. there was no order in the first 30 seconds. everybody tried to do what was best for them. coming up, we'll have more of my interview with nate mueller including what he called heroic acts of the teacher in the chaos. rick santorum calls president obama a snob, says the president wants everybody to go to college and college makes people lose their religion. lots to chew on there. is any of it actually based in fact? "keeping them honest" tonight. later, the effort to bring home the body of journalist marie colvin, who was killed in syria last week. we'll talk to her mother, who tells me, she's not giving up. >> we're going to do it no matter how difficult it is or no matter how long it takes, i want my daughter home.
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our breaking news tonight, reports that t.j. lane, the alleged chardon high school gunman will appear tomorrow afternoon in local juvenile court. before the break, you heard from nate mueller, slightly wounded in the attack and told me about moments of terror and the look on t.j. lane's face and what he hit to had become of the sweet natured kid he used to know and spoke about responses of heroic teachers and police as well. >> i was listening to the superintendent talking about how safety procedures had worked. did it feel to you like there was an organized system after, let's say, the first 30 seconds had passed, that the school -- you felt like people in charge clamped down and started taking control of the situation? >> caller: i do. >> what happened? >> caller: i have heard two teachers, one, mr. hall, who had chased the student out and i know for a fact our teacher, mr.
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richie, had already been prepared with a bullet proof vest in his classroom, which he had put on and dragged nick into his room while also getting other students into the room as well. but i think everybody knew what they had to get done and did it as fast as they could. >> did the police arrive quickly on the scene? it sounds like your teachers behaved heroically. >> caller: the police were there within 45 seconds after i got off the line with the dispatcher. so they were there immediately. they didn't go into the school right away, but they had started their plan of action as soon as they got there. >> do you feel like your teachers saved other students from being injured or maybe killed? >> caller: i do feel that way. i feel they did the best that they could. and that was good enough for
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this situation. >> i understand that eventually, they were able to capture the young man and he's in custody. how long did that take and what was the tone like at the school while it was locked down? >> caller: i was actually away from the majority of the classmates that were sent to another school to be held. i was with a smaller group that was sent to the middle school, so i have no idea what the tone was like in the actual high school, so i can't answer that. i just know that in our small group, we were concerned and at a loss almost, trying to figure out what was going on through text and facebook and all that nonsense. there was no facts given to us. >> tell me a little bit, if you know more, about t.j. and his background. i mean, is he a kid that comes
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from a stable family? a kid that has a challenging family situation, do you know? >> caller: i never met his actual family. i knew his older brother had some drug problems, but i never met his parents or anything else like that. >> i know there were a hand full of students injured and one young man is dead in the wake of the shooting. can you tell me a little bit about those students? >> caller: they were innocent victims. my friend, danny, that was the first, and i think i speak with everyone that says there is not one person that deserved it less than danny did because he was the nicest, most polite kid on earth. >> what a terrible situation for you. what have they told you at school?
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obviously, i think, classes are canceled for tomorrow. how are you feeling? do you feel like this has just been unreal? >> caller: it does feel unrealistic. i almost hope i wake up tomorrow and it's monday again, and we could go back. that's how unreal it feels. >> what does happen tomorrow? you obviously won't go to school. what will you do? >> caller: i'll just get on with my day. i'm not really sure what tomorrow is going to bring, keeping the head high, going on with my business. trying to keep everybody else happy. probably go to the hospital and check in on my friends and see how everybody's keeping up. >> do you look now and think, you know, why? i guess, from our vantage point, we always say why would a young man do this? is this something that's running through your mind, trying to figure out what would cause this kid to do this at your school? >> caller: i try not to focus on
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why he did it as much as what we can do to fix what has been done, to make sure the people that have been injured and the families have been devastated by it get the care and support that they need from us and our community. >> wow, well, thank you for talking with us. i know you have a lot on your plate. we really appreciate your time, nate mueller, who was injured, his ear was grazed by the shooter's bullet. thank you, nate. we appreciate it. >> caller: thank you, too. thanks for having me. >> of course, we will be covering the story into the night and bring you any fresh developments that happen tomorrow morning. an early start and see you for "starting point" tomorrow morning as well. still ahead tonight, the claims rick santorum is making about college to try to woo blue collar republicans. keeping them honest tonight. and the fight to bring colvin's
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we're keeping them honest. tomorrow, two races in az aenz michigan are as tight as they come. we're going to look at how one of these four men, rick santorum is trying to get the edge with blue collar republicans. he's making claims on college and president obama's position about kids that go to college that are simply not true. we are going to count the ways in just a second. but first, a new polling.
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a one-point santorum lead in mitt romney's native state a one-point gap but a four-point margin of error so it's essentially a tie. it's just as close in the state of arizona, every vote matters. tonight, "keeping them honest," we're focusing on something rick santorum said over the weekend in michigan in search of those votes. >> president obama once said he wants everybody in america to go to college. what a snob. [ applause ] good decent men and women go out and work hard everyday and put their skills to task that aren't taught by some liberal college professor and trying to indoctrinate them. [ applause ] oh, i understand why he wants you to go to college.
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he wants to remake you in his image. >> now, taken one way, that is kind of flatter, president obama wants kids to become president, just like him. but it's hard to imagine that's exactly how senator santorum meant it. a day later on abc's this week, the senator went further saying going to college turns people of faith into non-believers. >> you know the statistic at least i was familiar with from a few years ago, i don't know if it still holds true, i suspect it may even be worse, that 62% of kids that enter college with some sort of faith commitment leave without it. >> so two factual statements, president obama wants everyone to go to college, where they will be remade by their liberal professors in his own image and then also going to college obliterates your faith in got. "keeping them honest," neither one of those things stands up. here's what the president actually said three years ago about higher education. >> i ask every american to commit to at least one year or more of higher education or career training. it can be a community college or
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four year school. vocational training or apprenticeship. whatever the training may be, every american will need to get more than a high school diploma. dropping out of high school is no longer an option. it's not just quitting on yourself, it's quitting on your country and this country needs and values the talents of every american. >> okay. so that was president obama calling on young americans to keep learning but not saying, as senator santorum was suggesting that college is for everyone. as for his other claim that 62% of students that enter college with some kind of faith commitment leave without it. he didn't specify the study and we got no response from the campaign today. however, we found two that he might have been referring to. one from the social science research council called "how corrosive is college to the religious faith and practice?" it concludes this. 64% of those currently enrolled in a traditional four year
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institution have curbed their attendance habits, curbed, not eliminated their faith commitment as senator santorum is claiming. and in addition, the author found the decline was even steeper in young adults who did not go to college. now, the senator may have instead or in addition to been referring to a harvard university study. that one does have a 62% figure in it. but it's 62% of college republicans saying, quote, religion is losing its influence on american life. no one is saying their faith or anyone's faith is being destroyed by college. the survey also found 1 in 4 students said they actually have become more spiritual since entering college compared to only 7% who are saying the opposite. but as they say, there's more. rick santorum appears to be mocking higher education when he's on the stump, appealing to non-college educated voters. but listen to what he said this weekend about what's right for his own children. >> do u encourage your kids to
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go to college? >> i encourage my kids to get higher education, absolutely, and in fact, if college is the best place for them, absolutely. >> okay. well, senator santorum went on to say that trade school is okay, too, which as you just heard for yourself a minute ago is exactly what president obama said three years ago. but any way you slice it a four year college degree is an even better key to success especially in a shaky economy. the jobless rate for college graduates age 25 and older is less than 5%. and take a look at this. this is a 2011 study from the brookings institution, charting income over a typical working life. the blue line is high school graduates. the red line is college graduates. the bottom line is pretty clear. and it's not like rick santorum hasn't championed like higher education or even federal aid to higher education in the past. his 2006 web page boasts of his, quote, commitment to higher education" and he takes credit for getting 47% more funding
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from the federal pell grant program that helps make college more affordable. "raw politics" now with our panel, let's get right to ralph reed, the founder and chairman of faith and freedom coalition, also the gop strategist, rich galen and the chief political analyst, gloria borger. we spoke earlier and my first question to all of them was about new numbers in the gallup tracking poll that shows mitt romney regaining a very slim lead nationwide over rick santorum, making up ground, as you can see there, from a week ago. so, ralph, let's start with you. the poll numbers show the santorum surge actually seems to be going back to the romney lead, if you will. is that because the social message that rick santorum is focussing on is working against him now? that it was a mistake? >> i don't think so, soledad. you're looking at a candidate in rick santorum, who came into this race as an asterisk in the polls, somebody way behind in the money race and name id race, he won iowa and won four of the
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nine contests. he's made the final four. and he may be emerging as the alternative to mitt romney, and none of that would have happened without the vitality and the energy he's generated among social conservatives. if you look at the '08 exit polls, soledad, 40% of all the voters who wept to the polls four years ago were evangelicals in the republican primaries. that number will be higher now. if he wants to win the nomination, rick has clearly got to broaden that message to talking about the economy and the message he had the night he won the iowa caucuses where he talked about growing up as the grandson of a coal miner, who believed in the american dream and family of immigrants who believes america's great days are still ahead of it. >> but he moved off of that message, right? over the weekend, president obama said he wants everybody to go on to go to college, what a snob. i understand why he wants you to go to college, he wants to remake you in his image. some people are saying that kind
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of message at a time when high unemployment numbers are actually lower for people of college degrees is kind of a wrong message. >> i think -- look, i think it's caused him a lot of trouble because i think he's trying to be the populist in this race. but in trying to do that, he's turning off a lot of fiscal conservatives who say going to college is a pretty good idea. he also, by the way, with the anti-jfk message, separation between church and state, that could work with evangelicals. i think ralph is right on that. but there are a lot of catholic voters who actually believe that that speech was completely appropriate and who idolize jfk and that could hurt him with catholic voters and santorum is a catholic. >> let me ask you a question about mitt romney. what we saw was mitt romney who was sort of going into the social realm briefly, has moved out of it and is back attacking rick santorum, but on the economy and jobs.
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>> yeah. i think they've decided they -- it's probably a really good inside the romney campaign fight between the social guys and economic guys. i think what they found, what happened us, i think in colorado, the certainly conservatives over-performed dramatically because it was right after the contraception decision by the department of health and human service, it boiled up over the weekend. the santorum people said, well, if we can energize our base, we can overcome the economic message from romney and we can't afford to drive that message. romney, on the other hand, can afford to drive that message. he understands in the longer poll that it is the economy. let's see what happens oversea, but right now the economy is the big deal. you don't have to win all the votes. you don't have to get 100%, you just have to get one more than the guy that's right behind you. >> that underscores the perhaps of an organization and financial
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advantage and plan to go along. the fact of the matter is rick santorum has really come out of nowhere and posed and unbelievable threat to the aura of inevitability that surrounded romney at the beginning of this. to romney's credit, he built a strong early vote program in michigan just as he did in florida and may end up proving decisive. i think all of this ends up working to the advantage of the party. i'll tell you why. the biggest challenge facing romney was to be able to address and wrestle with these tea party and evangelical voters. he's been forced to do that. whether it was huckabee doing that with mccain in '08 or santorum and gingrich doing it with romney, is the all to the good of uniting the party when this is over. >> as you know, there is the opposite theory of that and actually and many republicans subscribe to the theory saying people ripping each other apart is bad for the party, voters are turned off and bad to the party and in the end, you're only helping president obama. >> i would have to tell you, you
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look at romney's numbers with independent voters since november, they've taken a nose dive to the tune of more than 20 points. so i don't see how this really benefits romney in the long term if he becomes the nominee of the party. >> one of the things we do know is that this is the most fickle electorate in any of our lifetimes. >> that might be the understatement of the year. it's only february. >> go back four years, soledad, remember, hillary clinton and barack obama duked it out all the way to june. we're still in february. guess who got to take the oath of office. >> obama's numbers suffered among white women for a long time during that primary, but they ultimately came home. the fact is elections aren't won in february, they're won in november. there's plenty of time for this party to unite and get its act together. i think it would be a huge mistake to look at a muscular, contentious, hard fought primary and conclude that's a weakness.
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whoever this nominee ends up being, they will be smarter, tougher, disciplined, much more ready for barack obama in the fall. >> we will be watching the numbers of course. i appreciate your time, guys. thank you very much. >> you bet. >> a reminder, you want to stay with cnn for complete coverage of the arizona and michigan primaries. i will take a look at the candidates' chances tomorrow morning. we start at 7 a.m. eastern. also tomorrow night, you can join anderson, wolf blitzer, john king and candy crowley and much more for all the results starting at 7:00 p.m. eastern. coming up, "keeping them honest," syrian's government says it's take an major step towards reform. all the opposition sees is more dead bodies. more than 100 just today. meanwhile, aide workers are trying to retrieve the body of journalist marie colvin who was killed in shelling last week. i'll speak with marie colvin's mother who has a message for the assad regime. >> be the best that's in them.
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be what all our faiths teach us and not do this. not continue with the killing and let these people go and give my daughter the dignity of her life to come home to us. >> our emotional interview is coming up. first, though, here is isha. >> hi, soledad. a story we're following closely on "360." the trial of the man who allegedly used a webcam to spy on tyler clementi, the rutgers university student who killed himself days later. a key witness on the stand today will have the latest when "360" continues.
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welcome back, everybody. tonight, another "keeping them honest" program on syria. there have been many as the syrian government insists time and time again there is no armed conflict going on and the syrian regime is not murdering its own citizens. now, perhaps the most blatant example of just how far the syrian's government spin is a complete sham and diametrically opposed to what is actually happening inside that country. [ guns firing ] [ speaking in foreign language ] >> a new constitution has been approved in syria that would theoretically open the country to other political parties. the syrian regime calls it a move towards reform and
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congratulating syrians on taking part in the democratic process, a so-called democratic process as citizens die in shelling and shootings and stabbings. now, this videotape supposedly shows random shelling on civilians but cnn cannot independently confirm what is happening in these videos. as you well know the syrian government has severely restricted foreign journalists access. on the same day the assad government announced overwhelming support for the new constitution, at least 144 people were killed in syria, according to the opposition. that includes at least 64 people dead in what opposition activists called a horrifying massacre that happened at a checkpoint in homs, 144 people dead in one day, a day syria's interior minister announced nearly 90% of voters approved the draft constitution and just over 57% of eligible voters cast ballots. here is what the interior
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minister said today. >> translator: we'd like to say congratulations to syria and to the syrian people who express their legitimate right, whose in sis stance and order for the reforms and democracy we are observing and mr. bashar al assad. >> offering congratulations to syria, to democracy and bashar al assad. "keeping them honest," that supposed show of democracy and the new constitution being called a total farce, superficial move to placate bashar al assad's critics, is the from the state department. >> we dismiss it as absolutely cynical. it is -- essentially what he's done here is put a piece of paper that he controls to a vote that he control so that he can try to maintain control. there is no way to evaluate whether the vote that happened
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represented anything like a referendum, even on the ridiculous proposal he put forward when the guns and the tanks and the artillery are now -- are still firing into homs and cities all over the country. so how could you possibly have any kind of democratic process in conditions like that. >> in an interview with cbs news, secretary of state hillary clinton urged assad supporters to refuse to take part in the attacks. as for the vote, shed a this to say. it is a phony referendum and it is going to be used bias sad to justify what he's doing to other syrian citizens. red cross says some aide workers have been able to get in to drop off food and medical supplies and also trying to retrieve the body of journalist marie colvin killed in shelling in homs last week along with french photographer remi ochlik. so far, they have not been able to get those bodies out of the country for a final trip home. earlier, i spoke with marie's
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mother, rosemarie and her sister cat and brother, michael. i appreciate you talking us to and again, our sympathies go to you. i know it's a terrible time for your family. what are you being told about the ability to retrieve marie's body from syria? >> well, they've been trying. today, they tried twice and told us they will try again tomorrow morning. it was too dangerous and they couldn't complete it, complete getting them out although they tried twice. that was the latest news we had. >> i have to imagine as a mother, to get that body back has to be really important and really critical for you. how likely do you think they will eventually be able to do that, accomplish that mission? >> we are going to do it no matter how difficult it is or no matter how long it takes, i want my daughter home. we also want the other people
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out, the injured people, the people who were from other countries in there. they need to come out, too. >> if you had an opportunity to address the assad regime and say, we want you to understand how we're feeling and what we need, what would you say? >> i don't want to get into the politics of the conflict though it's wrong, i'd like to get into humanity and asking them to be the best that's in them, be what all our faiths teach us and not do this, not continue with the killing and let these people go and give my daughter the dignity of her life to come home to us. >> cat, there's been some reporting that your sister was targeted because she was a western journalist and giving out information, obviously, about the conflict. do you think that that is true? >> you know, it's impossible to know in this particular
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situation. it's just becoming such a dangerous profession. she knew that and went in because she felt so strongly the truth had to come out and if no one's there to report on it, none of us know. we are just so extremely proud of her. it's painful. >> you join a lot of her colleagues who are proud of her as well. one of her last reports is right here on this show when she was telling this story. it was a horrific story of a little baby who she watched die. i want to play a little piece of that and then, michael, i will ask you a question on her to side of it. listen. >> reporter: the baby's death was just heartbreaking. the doctor said there's nothing we could do and we just watched this little boy, his little tummy heaving and heaving as he tried to breathe. it was horrific. my heart broke. >> my goodness, it was such an
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awful thing to watch the report on that. michael, you said, though, your sister never became sort of cold to the reporting. you know, i think sometimes war reporters can become very numb and lose their humanity in some way. how do you think she managed not to do that? >> she mentioned to me once or twice the two words she hates most are collateral damage. when we're here sitting here in the united states and we hear those two words, we think, oh, a bridge went down, a building got blown up but marie made it clear that collateral damage is people and not just people fighting but innocent people and journalists and people that are trying to report the story. >> police colvin, i was surprised, right after marie was announced dead, that your family was talking, because i thought that might be a time you would frankly lock yourselves in your home and just not take questions. why did you want to answer questions about her life so quickly after we got word that
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she had died? >> the two worst words marie would like to hear about her life would be no comment. in addition to that, i wanted to bring the story out, to tell people what she stood for, what she was doing, what her life was about. it was an important committed life and she lived it to the fullest and i wanted to honor -- i just wanted to honor that memory of hers. that's why i decided to talk to the press and keep the story alive in the hopes that we could do some good in syria and for the people that are still there and for the wounded. >> i know you're also going to keep her memory alive by setting up this humanitarian fund. cat, can you tell me a little bit about that? >> we set up a fund in marie's memory. there's a website with more information, mariecolvin.org. the donations will go to those causes marie felt so strongly about. human rights, humanitarian aid, education and, of course, journalism.
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